New wiki

Jim Ohlstein jim.ohlstein at
Sat Mar 14 16:37:35 MSK 2009

If you read the earlier messages you will see that I am trying to accommodate the requests of a multitude of others who spoke up and made requests. Those would include the specific PREFIX being used (a request if Merlin) and multiple requests that entries be cross posted here to the list. Then there would be my request to continue this discussion off the list so as not to pollute the inboxes of those who are uninterested.

If the forum entries are "breaking" your MUA's threading system I apologize. I can work on that but make no guarantees. I have asked for help with list integration and Merlin has been gracious enough to indicate that he might be willing to help.  

To All:

I deeply regret the dissension that this has caused. A better place to hash this out constructively would be in the "Site Suggestions" forum at  I will no longer respond to questions about this subject on this list. That section of the forum is not posted here. 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Maxim Dounin <mdounin at>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 14:35:03 
To: <nginx at>
Subject: Re: New wiki


On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 06:31:35PM -0400, Jim Ohlstein wrote:

> I can set it for new threads only. That's easy. But that then obviates the
> idea of replying to a thread by email from the list.
> Setting up a different list would be a non-starter in my opinion. If people
> want emails from a forum there are other ways of getting them without
> creating yet another list.
> I'd be happy to discuss this via my email or at the forum itself. There's a
> place for site suggestions, and that forum does not get posted to the list.

As of now forum notifications is broken at least in following ways:

1. SHOOTING prefix in subject.

2. No valid References header, so no correct threading in mail 

3. No valid From header thus making impossible to understand 
who is message author without looking into message body.

4. No understanding of people posting to forum that this is in 
fact post to mailing list and quoting rules should be significally 
different from forum ones.

IMHO, either it the above should be fixed (and mailing list 
integration done at least as good as that on ruby-forum, 
effectively converting forum to yet another mailing list web 
interface) or any integration with mailing list should be switched 

It's not clear to me who will answer questions on forum if the 
mailing list integration will be switched off.  But with current 
quality of integration it's not acceptable and will damage mailing 
list usage.

Maxim Dounin

> From: owner-nginx at [mailto:owner-nginx at] On Behalf Of
> Merlin
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 5:02 PM
> To: nginx at
> Subject: Re: New wiki
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Wilfried Schobeiri <ws at>
> wrote:
> Not to complain or anything... But does anyone else think perhaps this
> should be taken off list or a separate list be made? My cell has never been
> so flooded with emails before...
> Regards,
> WS
> Sent via handheld 
> Not to add one more to the flood...  but this is an extremely valid point no
> one initially considered.  We have members of this list, which generally
> gets a pretty light peppering of traffic, and we are going to be spamming
> them messages from a forum, which is quite likely (due to the nature of
> webforums) to become much higher traffic and chatty than the email list.
> Emails are (again, generally) much more considered than forum posts and
> there is less of a tendency to post trivial/chatty messages to email groups
> than to forums.
> Perhaps we should syndicate new forum threads only to this list, or a
> completely different list.  We should be able to set up nginx.forums list
> and you can join that if you also would like to get the forum information
> bridged to your local mail.

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