New wiki

[Jim Ohlstein]

I was being tongue in cheek with that.

I actually edited it again so the thread title will (hopefully) also appear in the email subject line. That should help anyone know whether it's something that might be of interest. 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Merlin <merlin at mahalo.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:01:35 
To: <nginx at sysoev.ru>
Subject: Re: New wiki


It's not just for deleting; as an alternative to loading your server with
searches, we can search the [FORUM] tagged posts in the mailing list and we
can filter them to a specific folder (this is my approach).

On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Jim Ohlstein <jim.ohlstein at gmail.com>wrote:

>  Again, it’s a comfort level thing.*Some* people prefer it. It’s been
> raised a few times so I’m running with it. If it succeeds fine. If not, I
> haven’t lost anything. I’m not married to it (though it probably will
> require less effort and money than does my wife :p).  I don’t plan to place
> any ads on it so it isn’t as though I’m going to make any money on it. In
> fact, it could conceivably cost money if it gets busy. It’s in a Virtuozzo
> container that costs me a few dollars a month. I own the license for the
> software and I’m not doing anything with it currently.
>
>
>
> There are two conditions under which it goes away. First is if it’s not
> used. Second is if I no longer have a way to host and maintain it (that
> would include me going away as in permanently). Either of those presupposes
> that no one wishes to take over the joy of it all.
>
>
>
> I believe that I have successfully edited the title and format of the
> emails that come from the site so you can delete them at will.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-nginx at sysoev.ru [mailto:owner-nginx at sysoev.ru] *On Behalf Of
> *Merlin
> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2009 2:06 PM
> *To:* nginx at sysoev.ru
> *Subject:* Re: New wiki
>
>
>
> I gotta say that Toni enumerated quite well what I was vaguely hinting at
> with "this is a forum".
>
>
> Along these same lines, I would like to bring up a related issue to the
> webforum-linking-with-mailforum thing...  Can we please get a prefix or
> suffix tag of [FORUM] or something?  This way we can use our superior MUA
> searching/sorting/filtering features to do with them as we need.
>
> Thanks,
> Merlin
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Toni Mueller <support-nginx at oeko.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm sorry, but I can't let you say this unanswered:
>
>
> On Thu, 12.03.2009 at 18:15:36 +0000, Jim Ohlstein <jim.ohlstein at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > A mailing list is a forum of sorts but without the features of more
> > sophisticated software.
>
> a mailing list is something entirely different, imho.
>
> > File attachments,
>
> send mail with an attachment
>
> > private messagiing,
>
> send email to one person only (ie, outside the list)
>
> > threaded discussions,
>
> standard feature of non-broken MUAs (ie, mutt, Thunderbird, Evolution,
> etc).
>
>
> > easy access to older posts
>
> mailing list archive, may be even downloadable
>
>
> > to name but a few.
>
> Forums typically have these additional drawbacks in my experience:
>
> - synchronous communications - ie, it won't work if the forum server
>  has a hiccup or is currently hacked.
>
> - tends to mess up attachments
>
> - stricter limits on attachment sizes
>
> - centralized (even private messages need to go through the server)
>
> - threading is usually sub-par with MUAs, flexible sorting and
>  searching is usually not available
>
> - sorting and searching taxes the server, not the client (as with MUAs)
>
> - broken search results with about any search engines because whole
>  threads appear on one page
>
> - usually no downloadable archives
>
> - tend to vanish in a whim if the admin loses interest, or if the forum
>  package gets swapped (all links break, nobody fixes them, archives
>  are lost forever)
>
> - slow performance, high cost for the operator (much higher than a
>  mailing list)
>
>
>
> > It's simply another way to communicate and get/offer support.
>
> Yes, and one that causes more fraction and friction to the user base
> (imho).
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
> --Toni++
>
>
>

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