New wiki

[Wilfried Schobeiri]

Not to complain or anything... But does anyone else think perhaps this  
should be taken off list or a separate list be made? My cell has never  
been so flooded with emails before...

Regards,
WS

Sent via handheld


On Mar 13, 2009, at 14:27, "Jim Ohlstein" <jim.ohlstein at gmail.com>  
wrote:

> I was being tongue in cheek with that.
>
> I actually edited it again so the thread title will (hopefully) also  
> appear in the email subject line. That should help anyone know  
> whether it's something that might be of interest.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> From: Merlin
> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:01:35 -0700
> To: <nginx at sysoev.ru>
> Subject: Re: New wiki
> It's not just for deleting; as an alternative to loading your server  
> with searches, we can search the [FORUM] tagged posts in the mailing  
> list and we can filter them to a specific folder (this is my  
> approach).
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Jim Ohlstein  
> <jim.ohlstein at gmail.com> wrote:
> Again, it’s a comfort level thing.*Some* people prefer it. It’s  
> been raised a few times so I’m running with it. If it succeeds fine. 
>  If not, I haven’t lost anything. I’m not married to it (though  
> it probably will require less effort and money than does my wife :p) 
> .  I don’t plan to place any ads on it so it isn’t as though  
> I’m going to make any money on it. In fact, it could conceivably cos 
> t money if it gets busy. It’s in a Virtuozzo container that costs me 
>  a few dollars a month. I own the license for the software and I’m n 
> ot doing anything with it currently.
>
>
>
> There are two conditions under which it goes away. First is if it’s  
> not used. Second is if I no longer have a way to host and maintain i 
> t (that would include me going away as in permanently). Either of th 
> ose presupposes that no one wishes to take over the joy of it all.
>
>
>
> I believe that I have successfully edited the title and format of  
> the emails that come from the site so you can delete them at will.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> From:owner-nginx at sysoev.ru [mailto:owner-nginx at sysoev.ru] On Behalf  
> Of Merlin
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:06 PM
>
> To: nginx at sysoev.ru
> Subject: Re: New wiki
>
>
>
> I gotta say that Toni enumerated quite well what I was vaguely  
> hinting at with "this is a forum".
>
>
>
> Along these same lines, I would like to bring up a related issue to  
> the webforum-linking-with-mailforum thing...  Can we please get a  
> prefix or suffix tag of [FORUM] or something?  This way we can use  
> our superior MUA searching/sorting/filtering features to do with  
> them as we need.
>
> Thanks,
> Merlin
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Toni Mueller <support- 
> nginx at oeko.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm sorry, but I can't let you say this unanswered:
>
>
> On Thu, 12.03.2009 at 18:15:36 +0000, Jim Ohlstein <jim.ohlstein at gmail.com 
> > wrote:
> > A mailing list is a forum of sorts but without the features of more
> > sophisticated software.
>
> a mailing list is something entirely different, imho.
>
> > File attachments,
>
> send mail with an attachment
>
> > private messagiing,
>
> send email to one person only (ie, outside the list)
>
> > threaded discussions,
>
> standard feature of non-broken MUAs (ie, mutt, Thunderbird, Evolution,
> etc).
>
>
> > easy access to older posts
>
> mailing list archive, may be even downloadable
>
>
> > to name but a few.
>
> Forums typically have these additional drawbacks in my experience:
>
> - synchronous communications - ie, it won't work if the forum server
>  has a hiccup or is currently hacked.
>
> - tends to mess up attachments
>
> - stricter limits on attachment sizes
>
> - centralized (even private messages need to go through the server)
>
> - threading is usually sub-par with MUAs, flexible sorting and
>  searching is usually not available
>
> - sorting and searching taxes the server, not the client (as with  
> MUAs)
>
> - broken search results with about any search engines because whole
>  threads appear on one page
>
> - usually no downloadable archives
>
> - tend to vanish in a whim if the admin loses interest, or if the  
> forum
>  package gets swapped (all links break, nobody fixes them, archives
>  are lost forever)
>
> - slow performance, high cost for the operator (much higher than a
>  mailing list)
>
>
>
> > It's simply another way to communicate and get/offer support.
>
> Yes, and one that causes more fraction and friction to the user base
> (imho).
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
> --Toni++
>
>
>
>
>
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